Halloween or not?

Last post 10-27-2007 1:26 PM by karenbc. 60 replies.
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  • 10-26-2007 11:23 AM In reply to

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    Since people believed that the barriers between the physical and supernatural realms were down, they thought that humans were able to cross over into the spirit world with ease. Samhain was therefore a particularly auspicious time to unlock the secrets of the future. Apples or hazelnuts, both viewed as products of sacred trees, were used to divine information concerning marriage, sickness, and death. For example, apples with identifying marks were placed in a tub of water. By seizing an apple using only the mouth, a young man or woman was supposed to be able to identify his or her future spouse. This divination practice survives today in the Halloween game of bobbing for apples.

    Samhain was also characterized by drunken revelry and a casting aside of inhibitions. “Traditional values, if not flouted, were reversed,” states Markale. “What was forbidden was allowed, and what was allowed was forbidden.” Halloween still reflects this spirit today, which no doubt accounts to a great extent for its increasing popularity. Commenting on this, The Encyclopedia of Religion describes Halloween nowadays as “a time when adults can also cross cultural boundaries and shed their identities by indulging in an uninhibited evening of frivolity. Thus, the basic Celtic quality of the festival as an evening of annual escape from normal realities and expectations has remained into the twentieth century.”
  • 10-26-2007 11:26 AM In reply to

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    I don't get all the negative hype about Halloween--it is the epitome of a Christian holiday--which celebrates the Eve of All Saints Day.

    Unfortunately, it is Hollywood and its non-stop milling of violent, slasher movies (and similar such genre) that has perverted the image of Halloween.
  • 10-26-2007 11:30 AM In reply to

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    hi Mel ~

    Negative people can ruin any fun day...can't they?

    I have always loved Halloween...so many happy childhood memories and lots of fun as an adult too! It's like anything else and what you read into it! More and more people go all out on decorations and really seem to have fun with it!

    Molly
  • 10-26-2007 11:38 AM In reply to

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    Just goes to show one can read negative, crappy things into just about everything.

    It's not a favorite of mine, but I've always enjoyed seeing the little kids dressed up--they get such joy from it and I see NO negativity from them.

    I'm a little depressed thinking how I've aged in the 3 years since this thread was first posted tho!

    ;)


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  • 10-26-2007 11:47 AM In reply to

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    All Saints’ Day: “There is little doubt that the Christian church sought to eliminate or supplant the Druid festival of the dead by introducing the alternative observance of All Saints’ day on Nov. 1. This feast was established to honour all saints, known or unknown, but it failed to displace the pagan celebration of Samhain.”—Encyclopædia Britannica (1959), Volume 11, page 107.

    The 1910 edition of The Encyclopædia Britannica states: “All Souls’ Day . . . the day set apart in the Roman Catholic Church for the commemoration of the faithful departed. The celebration is based on the doctrine that the souls of the faithful which at death have not been cleansed from venial sins, or have not atoned for past transgressions, cannot attain the Beatific Vision, and that they may be helped to do so by prayer and by the sacrifice of the mass. . . . Certain popular beliefs connected with All Souls’ Day are of pagan origin and immemorial antiquity. Thus the dead are believed by the peasantry of many Catholic countries to return to their former homes on All Souls’ night and partake of the food of the living.”—Vol. I, p. 709.

  • 10-26-2007 12:13 PM In reply to

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    Well, granted this concept seems pretty far away from the entertainment industry's interpretation of Halloween---(I don't know about anyone else) but I do not allow my opinions/views to be influenced by the garbage that qualifies as "entertainment" these days.

  • 10-26-2007 12:52 PM In reply to

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    i was raised in a christian home..parents very involved in the church..they just told me that halloween was a time for kids to have fun..raised my kids the same way..
  • 10-26-2007 10:02 PM In reply to

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    We love Halloween!I love seeing my daughter in her costume and taking her trick or treating.I think I have as much fun as she does.

  • 10-26-2007 10:51 PM In reply to

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    I am a Christian & was raised by 2 loving Christian parents. We LOVED Halloween! Mama would make our costumes & they were way better than the store bought ones. Daddy would take us all over town & we would get a boat load of candy & treats. I remember this elderly lady that would make the most delicious popcorn balls & candied apples. We had the best time! DH & I lived out in the boonies when our kids were little, so we would load 'em up in the pick up truck & take them to Hattiesburg to trick or treat. When I was working at the hospital, a nurse from another floor gave out some pamphlets about Halloween being satanic. She told me that I was going to Hell because I took my kids trick or treating! I told her that Halloween is what you make it--if you want to think that it's evil then that's your opinion & don't tell me that I am headed for Hell because I let my kids have a fun time at Halloween! Halloween is not evil IMO & is a fun time for kids! I have some WONDERFUL memories of Halloween!
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  • 10-27-2007 11:00 AM In reply to

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    I find it interesting that many people who have problems with the pagan origins of Halloween traditions don't seem to have a problem putting up a Christmas tree -- another tradition with pagan origins.
  • 10-27-2007 11:19 AM In reply to

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    Personally, I think the trick-or-treating and costumes for the kids are a lot of fun.


    I don't "celebrate" Halloween though.







  • 10-27-2007 12:07 PM In reply to

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    Thanks san for resurrecting this thread. :-)
    I love a civil discussion. What a gift. :-)
    Mel
  • 10-27-2007 12:56 PM In reply to

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    There, you see, Xanthur? I told you this was a backward planet where the indigenous people still believe in mystical spirits and fear evil vegetables called 'pumpkins'.

    Let's capture one of the natives and return to the mothership.
    "Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you." ~ Pericles (495-429 B.C.)
  • 10-27-2007 12:58 PM In reply to

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    Aashlee, you are so right about Christmas!!
  • 10-27-2007 1:05 PM In reply to

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    That was a very nice article you posted, karenbc. But, after reading the article, why do you say that Halloween, or Samhain, is not a "hallowed" or holy day? It is for some people, and nothing in the article you posted disputed that. :-)
    Mel
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