Hillary is going to garnish our wages to cover health care?

peachygirl_GA:

I read what she said.  I'm just saying that I should have the right NOT to buy healthcare even if it is affordable.  I don't think the federal government should be able to force me to buy healthcare if I don't want it.  So what if somebody refuses to pay for it?  Shouldn't they have that right, even if it is not a wise thing to do?

When it comes to "rights" common sense and wisdom go right out the window.

LP med students attend schools and teaching hospitals in many other countries, but the number of those who choose the USA are greatest and have been for about the last 20 years.

 

The laws in many states regarding auto insurance plays like this. You must have insurance unless you can prove you would be able to pay for an accident. I know a couple who own their own business and shose NOT to have insurance. When the wife was hurt Lonnie told the hospital he would write a check for the bill. (we are talking over $60,000) They still have no insurance, their choice. Personally I think they are putting their business at risk, but it is THEIR choice and should not be taken away from them.

 

PG, since when do politicians corner the market on wisdom and common sense????

PG, of COURSE I wouldn't NOT have health insurance.  That would not take common sense OR wisdom to figure out.  But weren't some of you the same people that didn't want the govt. interfering with your person life like with the security measures they wanted to take invading your personal rights and liberties?  It's the same thing!  I don't want the govt. controlling everything in my life and telling me what I can and cannot do with MY money!

I am retired but my former employer deducts a goodly chunk from my pension to cover health care. That's why I said Hillary's "plan" to garnish my "wages" would be met with laughter.

Here in TN we have free health care for children whose parents cannot afford to insure them. I think there should be affordable health care for everyone but I'm not in favor of our government providing it. There are better ways.

Also, I do believe that people with the means to buy their own insurance and choose not to, should not be entitled to benefits/subsidies when they do get sick. It is just plain irresponsible for people to choose not to be insured unless they have piles of money in the bank. I sure as heck don't feel obligated to carry those people but I think that is happening.

We have a neighbor who had a wreck on his new Harley. He had no insurance and in short, used the benevolent funds from a local hospital after telling them he had no resources, etc. Far as we know, he got away with that, and some deserving person was turned away because the hospital had used up their "reserve funds." A thief, he is and there's more of them than people realize.

So if Hillary in fact, said that she will garnish peoples wages if they refuse affordable health insurance, then yes, I'd hold the bag while she grabs their money.

 

cooking71:

PG, since when do politicians corner the market on wisdom and common sense????

I don't believe I said anything about politicians regarding wisdom and common sense. If that were the case I would have to state the complete opposite. Many persons who are clamoring for their "rights" do so with no forethinking of anyone elses rights ie we the people carrying the burden of higher insurance costs due to the expenses of the uninsured.

peachygirl_GA:

PG, of COURSE I wouldn't NOT have health insurance.  That would not take common sense OR wisdom to figure out.  But weren't some of you the same people that didn't want the govt. interfering with your person life like with the security measures they wanted to take invading your personal rights and liberties?  It's the same thing!  I don't want the govt. controlling everything in my life and telling me what I can and cannot do with MY money!

What are you referring to "same people that didn't want govt. interfering...."?

A portion of my pay is taken out--call it garnished if you like--to pay for my health insurance, but I get do decide which insurer it goes to.  Portions of my pay are also taken out to pay for wars which I don't get to decide about, salaries for government officials whether I like them or not, building and maintaining public facilities which I may or may not be interested in supporting, et cetera.

In what way is making me pay for health care more invasive than making me pay for other services?

Lady Fingers:

A portion of my pay is taken out--call it garnished if you like--to pay for my health insurance, but I get do decide which insurer it goes to.  Portions of my pay are also taken out to pay for wars which I don't get to decide about, salaries for government officials whether I like them or not, building and maintaining public facilities which I may or may not be interested in supporting, et cetera.

In what way is making me pay for health care more invasive than making me pay for other services?

That would be my feelings about it too.

One more good reason not to vote for her...

Perhaps it would be a good thing for someone to look into(which the State Board of Mass is doing) the fact that BC/BS of Ma. paid out a retiring package of millions to the outgoing President of BC and he still stayed on running the company for over a year,still is for that maatter. Whether anyone agrees with Clinton or whoever, control must be taken of the health care costs in this country or no one is going to be able to avoid it but the wealthy and they don't need it. You must start somewhere and I pretty much figure none of you here are hurting for health care. Yes we pay high premiums,perhaps you should start there and figure out why.

Purseglove, the reasons for high premiums are so complex.  To cover payouts (Katrina, Calif fires, etc). The people who utilize hospitals and doctors and stiff them for what ever reasons. Malpractive payouts.   Default of insurance payments.  The health plan in Oregon works pretty well for the uninsured. No one here goes without medical care.  Our taxes are second highest in the Nation and we don't have a eutopian existence. People who are not citizens of our State benefit from the program. Our infra-structure is sadly breaking apart and they are continually increasing gasoline taxes to pay for falling apart bridges and roads. I personally don't agree with Clinton on many issues but they had eight years to fix it and it didn't happen.  The current administration didn't fix it.  I'm not sure it really can be fixed but forcing people to have something they don't want with socialistic bandaids isn't the answer either. Whatever the fix is, and I know as a Country we're smart enough to figure it out, just know it will cost us all dearly

cooking71:

"Clinton said such measures would apply only to workers who can afford health coverage but refuse to buy it, which puts undue pressure on hospitals and emergency rooms. With her proposals for subsidies, she said, "it will be affordable for everyone."

 

And just who is going to decide whether you can afford it or not? And how are they going to determine who can or can't  if they don't have access to everything else that you owe for?

turtletoes_Mo:

And just who is going to decide whether you can afford it or not? And how are they going to determine who can or can't  if they don't have access to everything else that you owe for?

 

Great point!!

 

I have no health insurance,never had. So that means when I'm sick,I'm sick.  Just have to let it run it's course.  But most of the time,I'm a Mom and just don't have time to be sick.  Now last year,I got the flu or something,now that was terrible!!  Temp. stayed 104 for 2 1/2 days,then stayed 101 for another 2.  Now then,I did kinda wish I had some type of insurance where I could have went to the Doc.  Because it sucked taking care of my children when I could barley keep my head up.  But they had to be watched fed,all that good stuff.   Even if I would have had insurance I probably would have not went to the Doc.  Getting off the subject here...  Do I think this is a good idea,making people have insurance???   NO!!

The problem, as I see it, is that there is no perfect plan.  And any of the plans that have been proposed have flaws - huge flaws.  But something has to be done.  And I'm sure none of the plans being tossed around out there are going to be put into effect as they are now. Sooner or later many of us will get sick enough to require a doctor - an illness that won't just "run its course" - one that will require treatment.  If there is a plan based on what you can pay and you refuse it - then you should not expect to be able to walk into an E.R. and get free treatment - period. 

peachygirl_GA:

But weren't some of you the same people that didn't want the govt. interfering with your person life like with the security measures they wanted to take invading your personal rights and liberties?  It's the same thing! 

 

 

Not even close. Its not a matter of  *snort* 'personal rights and liberties', that's the impoetant stuff like the gov spying on you without a warrant, or taking away habeas corpus. This is simple economics, its the M-word and big capitalism... oh, and tossing a very large and meaty, profitable bone to the medical-drug-insurance industry. See, if it were truly *shiver* "socialism", we wouldn't have the profit factor and there would be a single payer system.

 

Economics 101: Lets say -- just for giggles and grins -- that you, for whatever reason, don't have health insurance. Suddenly, you get sick or injured... OMG, its bad and getting worse. Within a couple of months, you've run through all your liquid assets just trying to stay alive.

 

You can't buy insurance because of that pre-existing condition rule. Since you still own stuff and your spouse is working, you don't qualify for state assistance. Soon, you start selling off your stuff and then the house goes, and you move into the converted garage behind your aunt's house. And you keep paying out mega bucks for your sad, but costly 'condition'.

 

Maybe you got enough equity out of your house to pay for a few more months of treatment, but then your spouse looses his job due to absenteeism for taking all that time off to care for you. You're down to eating beans from the food pantry, and picking out clothes from the discount bin at the thrift store. Then you sell the car -- or more likely its repo'd some dark night -- and your credit cards are maxed and debt collectors are hounding you... but forget bankruptcy relief, the Rs made sure 'deadbeats' like you will be compelled to pay... no excuses!

 

OK, now you're really poor, totally broke and destitute, and sicker than ever. Congratulations, you finally qualify for public assistance. Now your kids can get state aid, free school lunches, foodstamps, a housing allowance and your medical care will be funded... courtesy of us tax payers. You're a terrible drain on the system, a freeloader, the proverbial Welfare Queen, despised and demonized by your former friends.

 

OR... if you had participated -- either by choice or by law -- in Mitts, Ahnolds or Hillarys healthcare plan, you'd have the medical care you needed from the get go, AND you'd still have all your stuff, AND a job, AND you'd still be buying more nice junk and paying you're bills, and all those taxes that keeps the economy afloat.

 

Class dismissed.