HL Topic of the Week 3/17 to 3/23 How Safe is your city's water?

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  • 03-17-2008 6:20 AM

    HL Topic of the Week 3/17 to 3/23 How Safe is your city's water?

    More testing needed on drugs in tap water
    Figure out how to clean it — but still drink it, experts says
    The Associated Press
     
     
     
    Test it, study it, figure out how to clean it — but still drink it. That’s the range of reactions raining down from community leaders, utilities, environmental groups and policy makers in reaction to an Associated Press investigation that documented the presence of pharmaceuticals in major portions of the nation’s drinking water supplies.

     

    “There is no wisdom in avoidance. There is wisdom in addressing this problem. I’m not suggesting that people be hysterical and overreact. There’s a responsible way to deal with this — and collectively we can do it,” said Washington-based environmental lawyer George Mannina.

     

    A five-month-long inquiry by the AP National Investigative Team found that many communities do not test for the presence of drugs in drinking water, and those that do often fail to tell customers that they have found trace amounts of medications, including antibiotics, anti-convulsants, mood stabilizers and sex hormones. The stories also detailed the growing concerns among scientists that such pollution is adversely affecting wildlife and may be threatening human health.

     

    As a result, Senate hearings have been scheduled, and there have been calls for federal solutions. But officials in many cities say they aren’t going to wait for guidance from Washington to begin testing.

     

    Pharmaceutical industry officials said they would launch a new initiative Monday with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service focused on telling Americans how to safely dispose of unused medicines.

     

    Pharmaceuticals not included in testing
    The subject of pharmaceuticals in drinking water also will be discussed this week when 7,000 scientists and regulators from 45 countries gather in Seattle for the annual meeting of the Society of Toxicology. “The public has a right to know the answers to these questions,” said Dr. George Corcoran, the organization’s president.

     

    “The AP story has really put the spotlight on it, and it is going to lead to a pickup in the pace,” he said. “People are going to start putting money into studying this now, instead of a few years from now, and we’ll get the answers sooner than we would have otherwise.”

    Environmental leaders said some answers are easy.   “It’s basic. We need to test, tell and protect health,” said Richard Wiles, executive director of the Washington-based Environmental Working Group.

     

    Wiles said the Environmental Protection Agency needs to widely expand the list of contaminants that utilities are required to test for. That list currently contains no pharmaceuticals. He also said government agencies and water providers that don’t disclose test results “are taking away people’s right to know, hiding the fact that there are contaminants in the water. We don’t think they have that right. It’s hubris, it’s arrogance and it’s self-serving,” said Wiles.

     

    As part of its effort, the AP surveyed 62 metropolitan areas and 52 smaller cities, reporting on positive test results in 24 major cities, serving 41 million Americans. Since release of the AP investigation, other communities and researchers have been disclosing previously unreleased local results, positive or negative.

     

    In Yuma, Ariz., for example, city spokesman Dave Nash said four pharmaceuticals — an antibiotic, an anti-convulsant, an anti-bacterial and caffeine — have been detected in that city’s drinking water. In Denver, where the AP had reported undisclosed antibiotics had been detected, a Colorado State University professor involved in water screening there e-mailed the names of 12 specific drugs that had been detected.

     

    Officials at many utilities said that without federal regulations, they didn’t see a need to screen their water for trace amounts of pharmaceuticals. But others have now decided to test, including Scottsdale and Phoenix in Arizona, Palm Beach County in Florida, Chicago and Springfield, Ill., Bozeman, Mont., Fargo, N.D.; Danville, Va.; and a group of four sewer partners in the Olympia, Wash., region.

     

    “We read the AP story and made a determination that we should test our water and be transparent, just let the people know what we find. I’m confident we have safe and clean drinking water,” said Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon.

     

    Officials in Freeport, Ill., one of the smaller cities surveyed, said they plan to work with the state EPA to test the area’s drinking water for pharmaceuticals. Mayor George Gaulrapp said he is looking to the state agency for standards, regulations and testing procedures for that city’s water, which comes from a deep well.

     

    In some places, residents learned that the rivers and lakes that feed their drinking water treatment plants have already been tested, or that tests are under way.    In Marin County, California, officials said repeated tests in their watershed for pharmaceuticals have come back clean. In Massachusetts, the state Department of Environmental Protection announced a program to screen rivers, streams and reservoirs for pharmaceuticals.

     

    Dozens of newspaper editorials called for testing in communities where water is not being screened and the release of any test results.   “The first, and least expensive, step is to let the sunshine in: Water utilities that currently test for pharmaceuticals should make that information freely available to their customers, along with more information on the potential impacts of drugs in the water supply,” read an editorial in the Daytona Beach News-Journal.

     

    The Fort Worth Star-Telegram has filed an open records request for a copy of a study conducted on the city’s water after the mayor refused to give the AP and the newspaper the name of a pharmaceutical detected in the drinking water. City officials say publishing that information could jeopardize public safety, citing post-Sept. 11 security concerns. A Texas attorney general’s opinion is being sought on possible release of the information.

     

    The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel urged readers to take responsibility as well.   “It’s a problem in which the average person has both a stake and a role in the solution,” read a Journal Sentinel editorial. “He or she can do something as simple as not flushing unused medications down the toilet or into the drain.”

     

    And the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette observed that “given the national scope of the problem, a strong leadership role for the federal government suggests itself in areas such as testing and upgrading water treatment plants. So it is discouraging to note that the Bush administration in its 2009 budget proposal cut $10 million from the water monitoring and research program.”

     

    While the local responses are encouraging, Lisa Rainwater, policy director of Riverkeeper, a New York-based environmental group, said the EPA should step aside and let the National Academy of Sciences or the General Accounting Office study the impacts on humans and wildlife.  “Frankly, the EPA has failed the American public for doing far too little for far too long,” she said.

     

    At least one local water official is putting part of his faith in another quarter. Wayne Livingston of the Oxford Water Works in Alabama said he has confidence in the existing treatment system. But he said his agency probably will test for pharmaceuticals now, although he doubts anything will turn up because the water is pumped from underground.

     

    “The good Lord filters it,” he said. “But this is something we should keep an eye on.”

    Jolene
  • 03-17-2008 6:36 AM In reply to

    Re: HL Topic of the Week 3/17 to 3/23 How safe is your city's water?

    Good Morning!

    Just a quick stop by - I am baking cupcakes for Pre-School snack.

    I have been really busy at work and have time to read the posts once in a while but not to post replys.Sad

    I have been sick for the last couple of days - I am "off balance" - I feel dizzy and like I'm listing to the side and about to fall over. Tried to go into work on Sat and they sent me home.I stayed laying down most of the weekend.

    I got up this morning and it is better but not a lot. I am going to call the doctor's office as soon as they open. This is not a good time for me to miss work - My boss is going to be gone for the last three days of the week and I have vacation the week after Easter!

    I will let you know how I am doing!

    Ginny











    I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way. - Jessica Rabbit


  • 03-17-2008 6:41 AM In reply to

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    Good morning Jolene!

     

    I have seen this topic in the news lately....I know our water looks clean, but you never know.....

     

    Something to think about......my in-laws have had a water softner for years, and every time I drink a glass of water there, its like drinking a glass of salt! They have had there water tested to see if the salt level needs to be changed, but they always say its where its suppossed to be at???

    Now my fil has started having blood pressure problems, and they eat healthy, so I think they are getting to much salt in there water......IMO.....dh and I have never used water softner, and we probably never will......I think I might as well take my chances on whatever is in the water....! LOL!

     

    Well I had better get to work!

    TTYL Jet

    Fall is a second spring, when every leaf is a flower.
  • 03-17-2008 6:55 AM In reply to

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    Morning!  Some of you may be seeing the articles change between when you post, was having trouble getting the one I wanted to post (about Eating Green) to format.    LOL     Hope you all had a wonderful weekend, we didn't do much, took Jake to see the Easter Bunny, yesterday, bought him a new bike.   Sad to say that I'm already looking foward to next weekend and date day.   


    Going to work some more on getting myself refocused today.   Respiratory problems are still not 100% gone, really want to get back to the gym!    Struggling with menus/shopping/being a short order cook.    I shopped yesterday, but I feel what I had to buy within my budget that would feed everyone really isn't what I want to eat.    Trying very hard to make time for myself, but Jake then immediately gets more demanding.    


    Been reading/hearing a lot about water supply in the news.   It pains me to spend $4 to $7.50 on a 24 pack of bottled water.    I cringe over the number of bottles we put into the landfills.   But our water tastes bad, and it grosses me out to think of drinking "treated" water.   I grew up on well water, and it was a shock when I moved out on my own to find myself drinking city water, even when filtered.     I would hazard to think that a lot of people would believe that flushing expired meds down the toilet would be a lot safer than throwing them in the trash, but obviously, that's not the case.    One has to wonder the effects on ingesting all these fragments of medicines that are not prescribed for you, what it would do over time.   Definitely something to think about!


    Jolene

    Jolene
  • 03-17-2008 7:02 AM In reply to

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    Ginny, so sorry to hear you haven't been feeling well!   Maybe an ear infection?  Fluid in your ear?    Please check back and let us know how you made out!

     

    Hi Jet  :)   Interesting about the water filter/saltiness.   I know we used the Brita filters/pitchers for a while, the water still tasted gross and also "stale".    Blech. 


    Today I'm calling to arrange Poland Spring delivery, going to buy refillable, dishwasher safe bottles also.   We can't have open cups with Jake around, and I'll still need to buy a case of water for Tim to take to work, but it will cut down on our bottles disposed of and cost a lot.


    Jolene

    Jolene
  • 03-17-2008 7:08 AM In reply to

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    Good morning. "They" are always finding something for us to be concerned about. I have heard about this on the news and I guess for me it will be wait and see. They could be changing theirs minds and have new information. But it is good to be aware of things going on.

     

    The parade was fun Saturday and we had a good time. Went out to eat at a very old place, Mary Mahonney's. John Grissom has mentioned it in at least one of his books. A little pricey and Mel said it was a waste to take me there, everything is covered in a sauce, stuffed with shrimp or crabs, which I don't like. There is not much of a choice, but he was in Gulf Coast heaven.

     

    Hey Muril thought of you yesterday. We went to the Navy Exchange and they had these tops, one was $4.96 the other $6.96, then 75% off. Did I get a deal! I know how you like getting a deal too. One of them is for cold weather, but that is okay.

    Hi everyone to come later.

  • 03-17-2008 7:19 AM In reply to

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     Good Morning Ladies!!

    We have very hard water here, and it smells as bad as it tastes half the time. We have a Britta filter (or one of those) on the faucet, when we want a quick glass of water we use that. I keep a gallon jug in the fridge at all times - I feel better buying one jug than umpteen bottles.  Plus, I can always fill the jug, even part way, with the faucet filter.  I don't like the landfill issue either Jolene. I'm not a "tree hugger" but I do believe we need to help & cut back where we can. That's common sense as far as I"m conerened.

     It really is scary to think of all the junk in the water. We have so much growth around us ~ new houses, developments, industrial.... our water pressure is going down. I can't help but think that if they can't keep up w/ the water demand, how are they keeping up with treating that water?!? But please, pack in more houses & raise our taxes.....

     sorry. Soap box issue for me LOL!!!!

     

    Hope everyone had a good weekend. We went to Atlanta saturday - I now have nursery furniture. Big Smile  We put the crib together on sunday, have to do the changing table then rearrange the room. I can't believe we're getting so close.  Dh is so excited he can't wait, which it's weird to see him wound up because he's very low-key normally.

    We did get out to the park yesterday - I walked 4 miles & he ran 6. It was so nice out!!! Got some stuff done around the house then crashed around 7 - took a shower & crawled into bed by 8:30 LOL!!! I was worn out :-)

    Ginny - hope you feel better (((hugs)))

    Hi Jet!!!!

    Jolene - hope you're doing well (((hugs))) I hate when budget has to dictate my food intake - it really is harder to eat better.  my super target had ground beef on sale last week - 1lb. of 93% for 2.50. I bought 4 lbs and froze them. I'm hoping it will come in handy on the tight budget weeks. 

     

    Hope everyone has a great day!!! 

    dawn 

    Never give up what you want most for what you can have now.










  • 03-17-2008 7:38 AM In reply to

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    Good morning.

     

    It RAINED.  Now if it were July or August we would want the rain, preferrably once a week.  But not right now,  we needed it to get dry, and a lot of our ground was within 2 or 3 days of being dry enough to get on.  Now we have to start over. 

     

    This is an interesting topic because of everything they can test for now in the water plus the tiny levels they can now pick up.  A few years ago they were trying to get Atrizine off the market because they said it was getting into the water supply  and was dangerous.  But do you realize that the levels they could test for and what they were talking about was 1 tablespoon of chemical in an olympic size pool of water.  

     

    Our water comes from the river.  Looks clean out of the faucet, but we have a filter on the water line coming in the house,  You would be shocked at how filthy that thing gets. 

     

    Jennifer is on spring break this week so I don't have to take her to town.  Guess I'll start some laundry and get the dw to running.  They don't get a vacation.    Also got to hand wash one of Jennifer's baby blankets  for "Gertie" to come home from the hospital in.  She is due April 12th.  So I'm sure we'll be in the field then. 

     

    Debbie

  • 03-17-2008 8:34 AM In reply to

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    Good Morning.

    It's cloudy with an expected high of 52.  I hope the rain will hold off till after the parade downtown - wish I could go.  We had an OK weekend - nothing too exciting.

    We have a special filter on our fridge at home for the water source - I use that water for drinking, coffee and cooking.  I try not to think about what could be getting through that filter - lol.  I do occasionally use bottled water when necessary but I've seen reports that some of that is just tap water - geesh.  Thankfully we have a reverse osmosis filter here at work and I can just refill my glass all day long.

    ((Jolene))

    Dawn - Whoop Whoop!!  Samantha's got furniture - YIPPEE!!  How cute that DH is so excited.  Big Smile  I'm sure everything in her room is going to come together perfectly.

    Dusta - Glad you enjoyed your weekend.  Hope you get to ride today.

    Ginny - Hope you feel better - seems like you have a vertigo issue - hopefully the doc can get you in quickly.

    Jet - Congrats to your team!!  Yes

    Waving to Muril, Betsy, Debbie and anyone else I may have missed.

    Michele

     

     

  • 03-17-2008 9:22 AM In reply to

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    Quick wave as I run through  :)   Got an email from Jen this morning, she's doing great, just still really busy with work and everything.   She says Hi to all!

     

    Back a little later, been reading and I want to get some laundry folded before I head out to get Jake.


    Jolene

    Jolene
  • 03-17-2008 12:17 PM In reply to

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    Good Morning Healthy Ones!

     Happy St. Patrick's Day! :)

     

    Jolene, great topic. I am planning on recyclying my bottles I use for water. I always take 3 bottles to Nancy and have two servings before I leave so it is a no brainer that I have had at least 8 servings of water before I get home. Today I had finished the 3(16oz.) bottles before I came home at noon.

     

    Well, Miss Nancy is on her way to Fla. to see her DD for a week. She was excited...she called me Saturday and asked if I could come this morning for a couple of hours to get her going on time. I fixed her usual bacon biscuit and made sure she was all packed up and got everything in her carry-on bag and such. She takes a lot of stuff and although I closed the suitcase, I couldn't lift it. :)  It was expandable and she had several pairs of shoes, some nice outfits, casual outfits, gowns, on and on and on...a wonder anyone could lift it.  Her son was picking her up at 10:30 and she was almost ready on time. She is so funny, she said tell him I will be ready in about 45 minutes. LOL    Anyway they headed out about 10 minutes later and she should be in Atlanta, GA about 1:30 and then on to Fla- should get there about 4ish.

     

    Dusta, Yeah on your good deals!  I am going to order some stuff from Penney's today. They have free shipping through today even on the outlet priced stuff so goanna place an order- been working on it for a couple of days, and even if I have to take something back for a refund, I won't lose the shipping charge so that's nice. 

     

    (((Ginny))), hope you feel better, sounds like an inner ear problem.

     

    Michele, we have sunny skies today and it is 63 degrees.:)  Come on Spring!!! :)

     

    Waving to Jen!


     

    Debbie, we filter our water in the kitchen sink and we have one in our refrigerator. Icky looking stuff left in the filters. :(  Yuck. Maybe we should get a complete filtration system for the whole house.

     

    Dawn, I am like you- not a tree hugger but am all for recyclying. :)  Did you try the PB with a chocolate chip cookie yet? :)

     

    Hi Jet!

     

    Hope I didn't miss anyone!

     

    Have a lovely Monday All!
    Hugs,
    ~Muril~


    Hugs,


    ~ Muril ~




    "The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. " - Helen Keller
  • 03-17-2008 2:01 PM In reply to

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    Okay - the verdict is in - I have "benign positional vertigo". Dr has no idea what could have caused it - gave me an exercise to do 3 times a day - on both sides - and some Meclazine for the nausea. said it should be over in a week. and so life goes on. I will take it esy today and be back to work tomorrow.

     I need to take my meds and go lay down - after I eat something.

    I'll try to check back later!

    Ginny











    I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way. - Jessica Rabbit


  • 03-17-2008 2:05 PM In reply to

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    my grandma get vertigo every once in a while.....hers is usually caused by an ear infection....if you have it once, you more than likely will get it again is what her doctor told her...so she keeps a supply of medicine for it.....(and she has got it more than once)

     

    Sorry I'm not more encouraging!  ((hugs)) the best thing is to sleep!

     

    TTYL Jet

    Fall is a second spring, when every leaf is a flower.
  • 03-17-2008 2:50 PM In reply to

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    Afternoon!   Got Tim out the door to work, he grilled steak tips for lunch today, so I got to take it a little easier   :)   Laundry going, dw loaded, Jake's on a project.   Going to catch up with you all, and then sit and knit for a while.  

     

    Dusta, the parade sounds like lots of fun!   Sorry the restaurant was a bust for you.   Great deals you got!

     

    Dawn, yay for the furniture  :)  Tim and I had a big fight putting our stuff together, I was so wound up with pg hormones, and he just did everything WRONG.   LOL    Bummer about your area/water supply.    That is a great deal on ground beef, wow.   I think I paid $8.35 for just about 2lbs of 90% on sunday...     I remember when I pound of hamburger used to make a good "cheap" meal!


    Debbie, that stinks about the rain.   I'm getting your emails, and sending back, but I don't think you are getting them.    :(     Wow, Gertie's arrival is coming up fast!   LOL   That's 2 babies during field time, they'd better time better for #3   :)    I agree that some of the standards seem silly for acceptable levels of XYZ chemical, I guess what creeps me out more is all the different combinations of everything adding up to one big something.  

     

    Michelle, Hope the rain held off!   I don't know if Boston still does the St Patrick's day parade, it used to be huge, but a few groups spoiled it so they cancelled it for a few years.    Cool about the osmosis filter.   We thought about putting a filter on the faucet, but I just know we wouldn't remember to change them enough.     We buy Poland Springs, supposedly one of the companies that actually get their water from where they are supposed to, not just out of the tap  :)

     

    Muril, I hope Nancy has a nice trip.   We have to recycle as part of our trash pick up, if you don't separate bottles etc out, they leave your garbage on the curb.     I don't drink anything but water and Crystal Light, so I probably drink 6 or 7  16oz bottles a day.  Tim takes 2 to work, and probably drinks another 3 at home.   It goes fast! 

     

    {{Ginny}}  I hope you are feeling better soon.   I had vertigo when I was preg, luckily I was already on bedrest.    Get lots of rest!

     

    Off to work on my hat, will be back later!

    Jolene

     

     

     

    Jolene
  • 03-17-2008 3:30 PM In reply to

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    We went over to Jag this morning and got me a pass so I could come and go on the base by myself, they wouldn't accept the one at Barksdale. But I can't drive any place on the base, unless Mel is with me, with this pass.

     

    The water in Bossier is semi hard and doesn't taste good, but the fridge has a filter. In TX I guess I am use to it, most of the time it taste okay, except when they put too much calorine in it. For a while they put so much it burned your eyes when you took a bath.

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