Statistics experts reject global cooling claims

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  • 11-02-2009 8:08 PM

    Statistics experts reject global cooling claims

     Read this the other day and thought it interesting.  Note that this is according to independent statistics experts. 

     

    WASHINGTON – The Earth is still warming, not cooling as some global warming skeptics are claiming, according to an analysis of global temperatures by independent statistics experts.

    The review of years of temperature data was conducted at the request of The Associated Press. Talk of a cooling trend has been spreading on the Internet, fueled by some news reports, a new book and temperatures that have been cooler in a few recent years.

    The statisticians, reviewing two sets of temperature data, found no trend of falling temperatures over time. And U.S. government figures show that the decade that ends in December will be the warmest in 130 years of record-keeping.

    Global warming skeptics are basing their claims on an unusually hot year in 1998. They say that since then, temperatures have fallen — thus, a cooling trend. But it's not that simple.

    Since 1998, temperatures have dipped, soared, dropped again and are now rising once more. Records kept by the British meteorological office and satellite data used by climate skeptics still show 1998 as the hottest year. However, data from the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA show 2005 has topped 1998.

    "The last 10 years are the warmest 10-year period of the modern record," said NOAA climate monitoring chief Deke Arndt. "Even if you analyze the trend during that 10 years, the trend is actually positive, which means warming."

    Statisticians said the ups and downs during the last decade repeat random variability in data as far back as 1880.

  • 11-02-2009 8:45 PM In reply to

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    Interesting read. Thanks for posting it.
  • 11-02-2009 9:15 PM In reply to

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    SpicyChicken_SoCal:
    Global warming skeptics

     

    It doesn't matter to those who choose not to believe.   They could see a giant glacier melt in front of their eyes and they'd shrug their shoulders and roll their eyes and say,  "So what?"  We just have to move around them.  lol. 

     

    Thanks for posting this,  SC!   It's cool,  well,  you know.  Smile

     

    Nature is the 'Great Mysterious' ... the religion before religions.

    Peter Matthiessen, Indian Country
  • 11-03-2009 7:51 AM In reply to

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    Yup-yup.  I'm just glad we've got people in charge now who can actually read a scientific report and understand the implications.  

    I gotta wonder about those who deny global warming.  I just don't understand the whole, "Yes, all the evidence says this, but I'm going to believe the exact opposite."  Don't get me wrong.  I understand that kind of thinking when it comes to their children being bright and beautiful; but not about the universe around us.  Do they find it helps them in life?

  • 11-03-2009 8:11 AM In reply to

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    BlindMasterBaker:
    I understand that kind of thinking when it comes to their children being bright and beautiful; but not about the universe around us.  Do they find it helps them in life?

     

    Apparently.  Check out this bizarre bit of denial.

    I don't trust anyone who needs a recipe to make tossed salad.
  • 11-03-2009 8:25 AM In reply to

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    BlindMasterBaker:
    "Yes, all the evidence says this, but I'm going to believe the exact opposite." 
      But all the evidence doesn't say that.  There are many other reports, done by equally qualified scientists who report that it's simply a normal cycle and nothing more.  But as a whole, society just loves to panic and the subject doesn't matter all that much, we just want to get folks worked into a frenzy.

  • 11-03-2009 8:38 AM In reply to

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    onebizzybee:
    But all the evidence doesn't say that.  There are many other reports, done by equally qualified scientists who report that it's simply a normal cycle and nothing more.

    Untrue.  There are many other reports produced by scientists whose specialties are not climate, and by laymen.  Both of these types pay little attention to the vast amount of data that does not support their outlandish interpretations. 

    There are some few reports from scientists who are climate specialists, and they, also, cherry-pick the data for only that evidence that supports their interpretation.  Generally, time gives us the gift of seeing where their funding comes from, and it's usually fossil fuel companies. 

    Just because one area had a pretty cool summer this year doesn't mean the entire world was cooler on average.  And, to get really technical:  as more glaciers melt, as more permafrost thaws, the phenomenon of global warming is being mitigated to some extent in the very short term.  But when they're gone, there will be no mitigating factors left. 

  • 11-03-2009 9:58 AM In reply to

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    BlindMasterBaker:
    I gotta wonder about those who deny global warming.  I just don't understand the whole, "Yes, all the evidence says this, but I'm going to believe the exact opposite."  Don't get me wrong.  I understand that kind of thinking when it comes to their children being bright and beautiful; but not about the universe around us.  Do they find it helps them in life?

     

    It's because that is what is told on FoxNews. Watch FoxNews for a day and it will be mentioned at least 3 times 'there is no global warming'.  I just shake my head.  I think it has a lot to do with the fact that Al Gore, A DEMOCRAT, not only made a documentary about it, but YIKES! received a Nobel Prize.

     

  • 11-03-2009 11:16 AM In reply to

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    I don't even get the point of denying global warming! Admitting that it's a fact doesn't take away a person's right to have different opinions about how to handle it, or even how to ignore it. But to act like it's not happening?


    I believe in God. Only I spell it N-a-t-u-r-e.
    ~ Frank Lloyd Wright
  • 11-03-2009 12:06 PM In reply to

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    I have not really delved into this subject very much but have read that global warming is a natural for this planet of ours. For example, in the 1400's there was global warming and...sorry Al Gore....emmissions had absolutely nothing to do with it. No cars, no aerosol cans and not many people. Some, like Gore, are making big bucks off this subject. If he is so concerned about it why does he own a hugh house and leave lights on all over the place? Waste of energy as well as money. The money is his to do with as he wants but don't preach to the rest of us about conservation when you yourself are one of the culprits.

  • 11-03-2009 12:17 PM In reply to

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    HEY stop it Rush said no global warming.Nuff said. :)
  • 11-03-2009 12:25 PM In reply to

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    justyouandme20002001:
    Some, like Gore, are making big bucks off this subject. If he is so concerned about it why does he own a hugh house and leave lights on all over the place? Waste of energy as well as money. The money is his to do with as he wants but don't preach to the rest of us about conservation when you yourself are one of the culprits.

    Don't forget his 6 SUV's : )

     

    ............. and I was wondering who they were blaming during the last glacial melt LOL

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  • 11-03-2009 1:26 PM In reply to

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    justyouandme20002001:
    I have not really delved into this subject very much but

     sounds like you should
  • 11-03-2009 3:07 PM In reply to

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    justyouandme20002001:
    I have not really delved into this subject very much but have read that global warming is a natural for this planet of ours.

    I agree with Spicy, you really should look into the subject further.  While it's true that the planet has cycles of warming and cooling, the speed with which this cycle is progressing is something unseen in the past.  Natural trends cannot account for most of what we're seeing currently.

    justyouandme20002001:
    For example, in the 1400's there was global warming and...sorry Al Gore....emmissions had absolutely nothing to do with it. No cars, no aerosol cans and not many people.

    Well, not many people compared to today.  However, they were quite busy cutting down forests and burning them, along with fossil fuels.  Those activities took away carbon sinks (trees hold a lot of carbon, and so does oil) and released carbon into the atmosphere.  

    justyouandme20002001:
    Some, like Gore, are making big bucks off this subject. If he is so concerned about it why does he own a hugh house and leave lights on all over the place? Waste of energy as well as money. The money is his to do with as he wants but don't preach to the rest of us about conservation when you yourself are one of the culprits.

    Al Gore's huge mansion is a model of green living.  This is another area in which you could be vastly better informed than you are.

     

  • 11-03-2009 4:01 PM In reply to

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    Vice President Gore was on Morning Joe this morning. He has had these beliefs for forty years. He backs what he believes. He was talking about wind mills this morning and jobs that can't be sent abroad. He makes sense.
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